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Awldon: my prediction is: 2x2, decided in penalty
I heard some analysts say whoever gets a goal in the first 30 minutes will win.
My prediction is:

55 minutes for the first half including commercial breaks.
30 minutes for the half-time show.
55 minutes for the second half including commercial breaks.
30 minutes for extra time.
Another 20 minutes for penalties.

Messi is getting old, can he stay awake through all that?
My tip is 2 : 1 for ESP.

With at least one goal cancelled by VAR :)
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marcob: Meow! It's the day!
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drxenija: Meow meow meow meow meow meow meow!
It's even free on the web!
(for example here, USA comment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUcr5JM4fHM
spanish comment elsewhere)

EDIT: What? They're an official channel and they show...the audience instead of the game? A new entry in my list of media absurdities (meooow! )
Post edited 23 hours ago by marcob
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lupineshadow: Messi is getting old, can he stay awake through all that?
Oh my guacamole! We are 20 minutes in!! All systems go!
I'm an old cat too, falling for a fully legal and official, mild bait'n'switch...o tempora o mores.
Well, damn if I pay the cable...radio, someone still loves you!!
Post edited 21 hours ago by marcob
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marcob: o tempora o mores
Now when I hear that phrase I only think about a naked woman swinging inside a bell.
Although Spain wasn't my favourite team, I'm quite happy with the outcome. Congrats España!
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triock: Although Spain wasn't my favourite team, I'm quite happy with the outcome. Congrats España!
yeah, they played by the book. Congratulations Spain
¡Viva España!
What a one-sided affair that was.
I was expecting Spain's defense and passing to hold Argentina at arm's length and take a 1-0 lead at some point, the question being whether that would be the final score or Argentina's great finales would help them equalize after all and take it to penalties, or Spain would get a counter in the dying seconds with Argentina being all in and make it 2-0. But I wasn't expecting them to not have anyone to hold off because Argentina basically played for penalties all along, hoping to hold a 0-0 until Spain finally scored. I mean, not a single shot until those final minutes of extra time, when they finally showed they can attack too? If Spain wouldn't have won this, it'd have been so wrong...
Poor Messi! No world cup before retirement. Is it possible for him to come back as 43?
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marcob: o tempora o mores
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lupineshadow: Now when I hear that phrase I only think about a naked woman swinging inside a bell.
LOL why is that?
Post edited 17 hours ago by drxenija
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drxenija: LOL why is that?
https://www.freepressjournal.in/viral/video-woman-hangs-naked-upside-down-in-bronze-bell-to-raise-awareness-about-rising-sea-levels-at-venice-biennale-2026
Post edited 14 hours ago by lupineshadow
I thought only Japan was that creative and daring in their parades and demonstrations.
Incredible determination!
Post edited 11 hours ago by drxenija
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Cavalary: What a one-sided affair that was.
I was expecting Spain's defense and passing to hold Argentina at arm's length
I believe that was exactly what happened.

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Cavalary: I mean, not a single shot until those final minutes of extra time, when they finally showed they can attack too? If Spain wouldn't have won this, it'd have been so wrong...
I see things differently with today's match.
If we look at the possession percentage, Spain had 2x more than Argentina in controlling the ball.
I sat and watched the replay through its entirely and whenever Argentina had the ball,
They would lose it in 20 seconds or less to Spain's players.

How can anyone shoot if they don't have the ball?
And that was Spain's strategy!
Messi dashing ahead each time when he had the ball.
But was met with 4 defenders crowding the goalpost immediately.
Argentina tried their best to hold onto the ball.
They just couldn't claw open Spain's ironclad defenses.

A quick visual comparison of Spain's positioning in the face of an attack versus Argentina's positioning
It is obvious that Spain has a much tighter defense whenever an Argentina shooter approaches the goal.
The Spain goalkeeper constantly came out from the post and kicked the ball away before the ball even reached penalty area.
It was a masterclass defense and a well-played strategy on Spain's part.

Why did Argentina lose?
Near the end, they lost a player due to 2 yellow cards (converts to a red).
They were already struggling to find a crack in Spain's defenses.
Now with a handicap, it's even more difficult to penetrate their Spain's chokehold.
With one player fewer than the other team, you can't fully guard all your opponents.
It is a massive advantage for the other team when one of them are free to roam without any checks.
Eventually, someone slips through Argentina's defenses and scores.

Then why was Argentina pushing more in the end?
It was down to 5 minutes and you're behind one goal.
At this point, you have nothing to lose but to risk it all.
So their defenders also become attackers and push forward.
Yes, this severely weakens their defense against more goals from Spain.
But they had no options:
Loosening your own defenses and improve your odds in scoring a goal to tie the game
Or lose either way.
This wasn't a strategy that could have been employed throughout all 90 minutes.
This was a Hail Mary, a last-ditch effort to go all in for a tiny sliver of hope in avoiding a loss.
Post edited 11 hours ago by drxenija