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Luisfius: Yeah personally, PC gaming was not particularly viable at all before steam streamlined **so much**

Piracy and old stuff? Sure. I was able to experience much through places like home of the underdogs, but to **actually** purchase titles? It was extremely limited.

Boxed PC titles were extremely rare here in mexico!
Even physical piracy was such a niche. I COULD find pirated *software*, but not games. If you wanted pirated games? Consoles. PS1, PS2, Dreamcast, those could be sourced, but not PC games.

Steam literally changed that for me! It was both accessible AND more convenient, with less chances of malware.

At least in my region, PC games were not particularly viable.
Yeah the PC distribution system was very awkward in my opinion for physical PC. It was fine for the US and maybe Europe but I never got the impression it was great elsewhere except Japan and South Korea.
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PookaMustard: snip
I recall my physical disc for Euro Truck Simulator 2 is...a DVD
But the jewel case for American Truck Simulator had... s a steam code. >:-(

That was one annoying reason I got steam.

Any particular billionaire in mind in your post?
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Luisfius: At least in my region, PC games were not particularly viable.
Not in my region either if we're talking about boxed PC games, unless you were happy getting PC games on burnt blank discs with the game title sharpie'd on with very obvious typos, packaged in like those cheap plastic or paper wraps, and if anything, I got like around 5 boxed authentic PC games. But...

(the rest of this post expands on my earlier one)

Your region may have been screwed when it came to acquiring games as does mine, but the PC platform itself was never at any point unviable for anything devs or its users wanted to do with it. Doom never needed Steam to launch, yet it and its sequel Doom II are still beloved games to this day, and to this day Doom source port developers get into all sorts of drama, for a game released in the 90s (see how UZDoom started). Before Skyrim did the Steam-code switcheroo responsible for Steam's rise, the Elder Scrolls series and more so Morrowind and Oblivion were basically a modder's haven, and they still are today. At this point I'm just echoing AB2012's post.

Although I'll add to his post, that Minecraft has started being a thing in 2009, which would eventually go on to be the #1 best-sellin- scratch that, Tetris took its spot now, but still, it is currently #2 best-selling of all time, and even before Mojang's acquisition by Microsoft in 2014, Minecraft was a pretty hot game in its own right. All it took was one guy coding something in Java, and by that point Steam barely had any presence or impact on the platform (it was as far as I remember, no more popular than EA's Origin or Ubisoft's Uplay).

I really don't see how PC itself as a platform wasn't in a favorable position to begin with. Distribution is another story where Steam can take a tiny bit of credit, but not the general well-being of the platform.

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Microfish_1: I recall my physical disc for Euro Truck Simulator 2 is...a DVD
But the jewel case for American Truck Simulator had... s a steam code. >:-(

That was one annoying reason I got steam.

Any particular billionaire in mind in your post?
Case in point. From then on, a majority of physicals were already either Steam DRM'd or didn't even come with the data on the disc. At this point if you were used to buying discs and found out you still ended up downloading the games, you'd sooner just buy directly through Steam than go to the store, open the game box, realize it's got a Steam key, redeem it on Steam, and... get to the exact same spot you could've been? Yeah. I'm not surprised.

Also this Billionaire McBillionaire would be the one with the yachts, owner of Valve.
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I think GOG is doing well enough as it is, i love using GOG and STEAM. I dont think it needs to topple STEAM, but if it applies even a small amount of pressure towards steam, im just hoping that makes steam try to improve more, because i dont want only 1 option.

I will say though, about the moderation on steam, its so bad sometimes. Like i responded to somebody lately saying to stop complaining about there not being achievements in an early access game after they was making a post acting all mad about it, and that person reported me for it, and the mod said i was " baiting an argument " and banned me for it.
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PookaMustard: I really don't see how PC itself as a platform wasn't in a favorable position to begin with. Distribution is another story where Steam can take a tiny bit of credit, but not the general well-being of the platform.
Yeah. My position is that it definitely made it easier for people like me to participate "legitimately" haha.

Then again I did get to join here only a few years after making my steam account.
Dang it was so, so much easier to get console stuff, legit and pirated, back then here than PC games. Then again I did know people who kept using like, the same cracked version of word 2000 until like, 2017. If it ain't broke....
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ryanpowell19: I think GOG is doing well enough as it is, i love using GOG and STEAM. I dont think it needs to topple STEAM, but if it applies even a small amount of pressure towards steam, im just hoping that makes steam try to improve more, because i dont want only 1 option.

I will say though, about the moderation on steam, its so bad sometimes. Like i responded to somebody lately saying to stop complaining about there not being achievements in an early access game after they was making a post acting all mad about it, and that person reported me for it, and the mod said i was " baiting an argument " and banned me for it.
Id argue they both have issues, that said GOG as a store has alot to improve, the only thing keeping people from steam is the lack of offline installers and any use of DRM in games which clearly isn't impacting the store meanwhile we get maybe a quarter of new PC releases.
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ryanpowell19: I think GOG is doing well enough as it is, i love using GOG and STEAM. I dont think it needs to topple STEAM, but if it applies even a small amount of pressure towards steam, im just hoping that makes steam try to improve more, because i dont want only 1 option.

I will say though, about the moderation on steam, its so bad sometimes. Like i responded to somebody lately saying to stop complaining about there not being achievements in an early access game after they was making a post acting all mad about it, and that person reported me for it, and the mod said i was " baiting an argument " and banned me for it.
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Bankai9212: Id argue they both have issues, that said GOG as a store has alot to improve, the only thing keeping people from steam is the lack of offline installers and any use of DRM in games which clearly isn't impacting the store meanwhile we get maybe a quarter of new PC releases.
We do get less brand new games on gog, but gog also has old games that are not even on steam, or like lately, steam are only now getting some of them GOG improved old games 2 years later.
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Bankai9212: Id argue they both have issues, that said GOG as a store has alot to improve, the only thing keeping people from steam is the lack of offline installers and any use of DRM in games which clearly isn't impacting the store meanwhile we get maybe a quarter of new PC releases.
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ryanpowell19: We do get less brand new games on gog, but gog also has old games that are not even on steam, or like lately, steam are only now getting some of them GOG improved old games 2 years later.
Outside of certain games obviously it's not enough to get more people to use it. We miss out on a ton of releases I'm including AA and indie.
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jebblue: Hoping GOG gets big enough to replace Steam one day
As already mentioned: that will never happen.
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Jinini: [...]
Trying to label me a bad guy
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amok: Thats because you are. If it walks like a duck, quack like a duck, then I will call it a duck.

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Jinini: because I dont think it makes sense for Boeing to hire engineers based on skin color, race and sexual preferences instead of qualifications so that airplanes fall from the sky because they were politically correct?
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amok: Not only are you a bad guy, but also a lazy sheeple since you are just buying into the narrative given to you by your overlords. This is just not true, it is completly made up bullshit by certain political actors to justtify "woke bad". Congratulation for buying into it.

The assumption behind this is just covert racism and sexism. It starts from the premise that if for example a Black woman is hired over a white man, then it must be because of DEI. The possibility that she might simply be the more qualified candidate is dismissed from the outset. The implication is that a Black woman cannot be equally or more qualified than a white man, and therefore her success must be explained by something other than merit. That is precisely the assumption being made. Taken to its logical conclusion, the argument becomes absurd - white men are presumed to be the default or most qualified candidates, and whenever someone else is selected, it is automatically attributed to DEI rather than competence.

Poor white men. Woe is us.

And that is what I will put into the political thread of today, before it gets closed.
https://www.hrgrapevine.com/us/content/article/2024-11-01-aircraft-giant-ditches-dei-efforts-as-survey-underlines-consistent-employee-support

https://cse-net.org/boeing-dei-esg-governance-controversy/

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/boeing-puts-another-dei-effort-on-ice-cites-shifting-environment-in-us/

Boeing has had numerous failures and errors since their DEI program, same as many other companies.

And image. Find the guy in that pic I dare you.
And numerous countless other jobs companies etc.
The only bad guy here is you for calling me a liar and names because I dare to make sense in the world that doesnt, instead of talking to me like an adult.

I took the time to file a report on you as well.
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Jinini: Boeing has had numerous failures and errors since their DEI program, same as many other companies.
Which failures exactly do you think are due to DEI? I think you are just repeating what other people say without evidence.
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Sigh. OK. I'll take the bait - and I fucking hate Rockstar.

I counted give or take 73 heads in the image. Wikipedia cites that R* North had 650 workers as of 2019, and more than 200 employees signed a petition demanding the reinstation of 31 fired employees in November 2025. The image was tweeted on 8 March, 2019, with R* North itself saying this was the International Women's Day which existed since the past century if you read the link. You don't celebrate that day with photos of men.

So with all that out of the way, now I can come around to you, Jinini:

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Jinini: And image. Find the guy in that pic I dare you.
OK, and?
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amok: Thats because you are. If it walks like a duck, quack like a duck, then I will call it a duck.

Not only are you a bad guy, but also a lazy sheeple since you are just buying into the narrative given to you by your overlords. This is just not true, it is completly made up bullshit by certain political actors to justtify "woke bad". Congratulation for buying into it.

The assumption behind this is just covert racism and sexism. It starts from the premise that if for example a Black woman is hired over a white man, then it must be because of DEI. The possibility that she might simply be the more qualified candidate is dismissed from the outset. The implication is that a Black woman cannot be equally or more qualified than a white man, and therefore her success must be explained by something other than merit. That is precisely the assumption being made. Taken to its logical conclusion, the argument becomes absurd - white men are presumed to be the default or most qualified candidates, and whenever someone else is selected, it is automatically attributed to DEI rather than competence.

Poor white men. Woe is us.

And that is what I will put into the political thread of today, before it gets closed.
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Jinini: https://www.hrgrapevine.com/us/content/article/2024-11-01-aircraft-giant-ditches-dei-efforts-as-survey-underlines-consistent-employee-support

https://cse-net.org/boeing-dei-esg-governance-controversy/

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/boeing-puts-another-dei-effort-on-ice-cites-shifting-environment-in-us/

Boeing has had numerous failures and errors since their DEI program, same as many other companies.

And image. Find the guy in that pic I dare you.
And numerous countless other jobs companies etc.
The only bad guy here is you for calling me a liar and names because I dare to make sense in the world that doesnt, instead of talking to me like an adult.

I took the time to file a report on you as well.
woke garbage
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amok: Thats because you are. If it walks like a duck, quack like a duck, then I will call it a duck.

Not only are you a bad guy, but also a lazy sheeple since you are just buying into the narrative given to you by your overlords. This is just not true, it is completly made up bullshit by certain political actors to justtify "woke bad". Congratulation for buying into it.

The assumption behind this is just covert racism and sexism. It starts from the premise that if for example a Black woman is hired over a white man, then it must be because of DEI. The possibility that she might simply be the more qualified candidate is dismissed from the outset. The implication is that a Black woman cannot be equally or more qualified than a white man, and therefore her success must be explained by something other than merit. That is precisely the assumption being made. Taken to its logical conclusion, the argument becomes absurd - white men are presumed to be the default or most qualified candidates, and whenever someone else is selected, it is automatically attributed to DEI rather than competence.

Poor white men. Woe is us.

And that is what I will put into the political thread of today, before it gets closed.
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Jinini: https://www.hrgrapevine.com/us/content/article/2024-11-01-aircraft-giant-ditches-dei-efforts-as-survey-underlines-consistent-employee-support

https://cse-net.org/boeing-dei-esg-governance-controversy/

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/boeing-puts-another-dei-effort-on-ice-cites-shifting-environment-in-us/

Boeing has had numerous failures and errors since their DEI program, same as many other companies.

And image. Find the guy in that pic I dare you.
And numerous countless other jobs companies etc.
The only bad guy here is you for calling me a liar and names because I dare to make sense in the world that doesnt, instead of talking to me like an adult.

I took the time to file a report on you as well.
Don't worry, we're both Bad Guys. ;) ESPECIALLY in the UK lol. Hopefully we don't get thrown in jail for posting mean things if we visit Amok. :P Can you even say it's okay to be a white guy without apologizing there?

Interesting that you're supposed to capitalize Black but not white. Curious that. :P
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